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community support => New features and suggestions => Topic started by: IPNDDS on July 19, 2012, 12:42:17 PM

Title: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: IPNDDS on July 19, 2012, 12:42:17 PM
There is no doubt that MediaSignage is endeavoring to create a very feature-rich platform.  I love this and as I learn to use the components, I'm sure to realize more and more power.

BUT....one thing that is grossly overlooked in digital signage is its purpose...to deliver the right message at the right time.  Having said this, it is very important that advanced scheduling features be given the same attention (or more, at this point) as the new components.  Please, Media Signage, lets hear more about some advanced scheduling features for content.  We need the ability to schedule individual content rather than timelines.  Ad Engine is a step in the right direction but let's see you move further.

An idea presented by AVGEEK on this forum is an ideal solution and one where most of the coding is already done for the Ad Engine.

The Ad Component is a very big step in the right direction but the focus there is more on managing the advertiser / client relationship with the outgoing and incoming ad acceptance features. We need something similar for internal use, And the ability to have multiple playlists - not just the global one. I would like to have a separate playlist for each zone/region in a timeline per campaigns. Each playlist would rotate through resources independently of the other. I would schedule all of these resources in an easy-to-administer list view that would let me choose start/end date, days of week and times of day per resource - per playlist. When you add the ability to have transitions between resources, you could program that in the list view as well.
The main timeline metaphor would still have its place for overall programming. I can see scheduling additional resources in the timeline such as weather, rss - following a playlist component. This would give us great control over the balance of how things played out. (although these resources should be able to be nested inside the playlist component as well).
You have a great system and I don't want to sound negative. This feature would just add an enormous amount of additional programming flexibility.
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: admin on July 19, 2012, 04:37:25 PM
Right, but the Engine addresses this as you can set a different Ad package (i.e.: content / scheduler) per screen division.
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: souporjuice on August 23, 2012, 08:14:34 AM
A small feature I'd like to see is a combination of the scheduler and the sequencer so that if I dont have anything in particular scheduled to play at a certain time that it reverts back and just plays the sequences till something is scheduled.
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: criley on August 23, 2012, 05:57:36 PM
Souporjuice...Nice idea, like the advertising component has with the Default Resource. It would be nice to have a default Timeline for a campaign.


Admin....

I was not aware that we could have different advertising packages for different screen divisions. How do we accomplish this? I do not see a way for me to specify what package goes with which Advertising Component. Just which station gets the ad package. never mind, i just got off the chat and was told that it is not possible as of yet to do this. So I cannot wait until the release. Great features look to be coming.
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: admin on August 24, 2012, 08:35:38 AM
AH yeah, sorry for the confusion,  I meant you can assign the Ad Player in different Screen divisions.
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: IPNDDS on September 10, 2012, 02:28:53 PM
Right, but the Engine addresses this as you can set a different Ad package (i.e.: content / scheduler) per screen division.


Admin, I do not believe that the scheduling issue is at all addressed with the Ad Engine.  It in fact does not help with enhanced scheduling for several reasons:

    1.  It rarely works properly because it has been in a beta mode and is virtually impossible to test.  As an Enterprise user, I'm not at all sure of what I am paying for on a monthly basis.

    2.  It requires that a station be set up in order to even use it.  This eliminates the possibility of using it with a web link or embedded signage project.  Any scheduling enhancements that the Ad Engine may have are lost on those two output scenarios.

The current sequencer and scheduler DO NOT provide the tools necessary to schedule content properly with begin and expire days and times because it is designed to handle Timelines rather than individual content.  This is inappropriate for a project that has, for instance, twenty recurring (non-expiring) items on a timeline along with say fifteen items that are time-sensitive and require scheduled start and stop days/times.

Duplicating timelines and scheduling or sequencing them leads to tremendous inventory and auditing issues as well as lots of manual attention, especially when multiple client projects utilizing the same content/resources scenario are involved.

There is a very easy and pretty obvious solution that may not require tremendous development time or resources!!!  PLEASE review the suggestions submitted by AVGEEK in this post:

The Ad Component is a very big step in the right direction but the focus there is more on managing the advertiser / client relationship with the outgoing and incoming ad acceptance features. We need something similar for internal use, And the ability to have multiple playlists - not just the global one. I would like to have a separate playlist for each zone/region in a timeline per campaigns. Each playlist would rotate through resources independently of the other. I would schedule all of these resources in an easy-to-administer list view that would let me choose start/end date, days of week and times of day per resource - per playlist. When you add the ability to have transitions between resources, you could program that in the list view as well.
The main timeline metaphor would still have its place for overall programming. I can see scheduling additional resources in the timeline such as weather, rss - following a playlist component. This would give us great control over the balance of how things played out. (although these resources should be able to be nested inside the playlist component as well).
You have a great system and I don't want to sound negative. This feature would just add an enormous amount of additional programming flexibility.

I'm not sure why so much emphasis is put on an ad engine model that supports revenue based signage projects that have been proven to not be as affective as place-based relevant models.  In any case, the problem with Media Signage lies with the inability to properly schedule content/resources. 

Virtually every digital signage software provider out there provides the ability to schedule individual content within a zone rather than timeline groups.  See Dynasign, X2O, Four Winds Interactive, Key West Tech, Scala and many others.  Please, do not use the "We provide FREE DS Software" card.  MediaSignage could truly be a world class solution but it seems with regard to scheduling, you're missing it big time.

As I've said before, effective DS software is not about how many bells and whistles you can cram into the package but more about how the software functions to make things easier for the end user. Specifically with regard to scheduling, if the software doesn't allow you to deliver the right message at the right time it's worthless because that is the inherent value of digital signage in the first place.  Otherwise, I may as well play slideshows or worse, bail on Media Signage, both of which I would rather not do.

Proper scheduling of content resources is a major cornerstone of what makes a world class DS software product.

PLEASE READDRESS THIS ISSUE.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: admin on September 10, 2012, 06:39:09 PM
As we mentioned many times on the forum, the Ad engine is still in alpha / beta and we will go back to fixing the bugs and pushing to final release only in November / December of 2012.

This will occur once release 4.1 is finalized which will include the new enhanced Android 4.1 SignagePlayer and mediaDROID family of devices.

Many of our customers are pushing for an inexpensive Android stable solution and so we are pushing as hard as we can to deliver.
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: IPNDDS on September 10, 2012, 07:57:01 PM
Admin,  my issue is not with the Ad Engine.  It is with the overall scheduling capabilities of your software platform.  Whether the Ad Engine is functional or not, it still does not address the scheduling problem, particularly with regard to the web preview link and embedded signage.
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: scannercop on July 09, 2013, 03:27:02 AM
Any solutions or upcoming features solving many of your customers needs with a prober scheduler on resources/scenes?
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: admin on July 10, 2013, 06:36:30 AM
In the 2nd 1/2 of 2013 we will focus on over 100 enhancements to the studio and player including added flexibility to the scheduler.
 
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: KingPro on July 17, 2013, 06:40:19 AM
As we mentioned many times on the forum, the Ad engine is still in alpha / beta and we will go back to fixing the bugs and pushing to final release only in November / December of 2012.
is the Ad Engine working again?
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: scannercop on December 06, 2013, 06:56:48 AM
In the 2nd 1/2 of 2013 we will focus on over 100 enhancements to the studio and player including added flexibility to the scheduler.

including flexibility to the scheduler? Any news about the single most important feature request ever in this forum?
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: admin on December 06, 2013, 09:42:16 PM
I wish the road map was that simple but we are trying to push alot of stuff in, just look at all the new feature of 2013.
And while I can't give you release dates (I wish I could), we have plans for 5 major releases in the next 6 months including:

1. Brand new SignageStudio
2. Brand new API (can't say more at his point, but will be pretty amazing stuff)
3. Strong push into Stage3D supersizing the performance of the Player (lots of related features)
4. Gen2 release of the Ad engine
5. Other enhancements including Scheduler.

As you can see, our plate is full and we are pushing as hard and as fast as we can to deliver for EVERYONE!

Regards.
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: IPNDDS on December 11, 2013, 12:14:01 PM
Yes, it appears that you have quite a large customer base that is indeed in need of enhanced scheduling.  Please do not ignore the need for this.  It has been very overlooked and it is imperative that scheduling be improved drastically.

An idea that I have seems pretty straight forward and is based on my experience with other digital signage software providers.

1. Add a resource to the timeline.
2. Double click it to bring up the properties.
3. Allow properties to be set for a.) begin on date/end on date  b.) start/stop time  c.) choose to play resource on M T W TH F SA SU
4. Make the scheduled resource identifiable on the timeline with perhaps a visual identifier (a red outline or hatch mark).

Then, allow for a list view of all scheduled resources and their status (Scheduled or Expired).  When a resource is expired, have it automatically remove itself from the timeline and snap everything together and change status from scheduled to expired.

All of this would allow for the proper scheduling of individual content items rather than timelines and thus drastically improving the usability of the software.
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: ShowIT Media on December 16, 2013, 03:22:44 PM
As the 2nd ½ of 2013 is drawing to an end is there any news on the scheduler?

I would be happy If I could just have a secuence playing when no timeline is scheduled, that would be a great start.

I hade the fact that I have had to make my 2 latest installations using Scala for just this one issue. Scheduling content.
Now I dont own a SCALA setup, so I have had to park my clients at another Company, now that is just bad business.
Luckilly the client still pays me and I pay the other Company for the Space (They owed me a favour), but I will never de able to move them back.

Pleeease put this scheduling thing on the top of your list, I don't care about 3D or more components as long as this issue is not fixed.
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: Peter Huss on December 29, 2013, 03:00:47 PM
In the 2nd 1/2 of 2013 we will focus on over 100 enhancements to the studio and player including added flexibility to the scheduler.
Hi Admin,
Just a Quick note to Say that I love your software and The effort you put into developing it.
But please ( on My bare knees now..), please! Make The suggested changes to The scheduler. ..
And please keep us updated on The roadmap for this..
Thanks.
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: admin on December 30, 2013, 09:55:52 PM
We have a heavy roadmap for 2014 and will update soon...
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: Peter Huss on February 12, 2014, 03:03:08 AM
Hello Admin,
How are we doing on the so longed for Enhanced Scheduling ?
A timeframe would be great to have.
I fear that further delay in this will force people to look elsewhere for their solutions, and I for one,  would really like to avoid that.
 :-\
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: KRob on February 20, 2014, 10:23:14 AM
^ Agreed. We've been with this company for a couple years... and am considering going elsewhere at this point because the scheduling system makes scheduling much more difficult than it needs to be.

Anyone in this field knows right away that one of the key components to successful digital signage is WHEN you play certain material....

Reading through this thread proves my point - many people have flat out begged for this to be improved.. instead, we must wait for silly extra features that really don't help us in the end. 

Let's address the main issues first, then throw in those little extras down the road. 
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: admin on February 20, 2014, 10:48:04 PM
the road map is:

March: LiteStudio 1.0
March: GPU Transitions
April/May: LiteStudio 1.1
April/May: Enhanced Scheduling and updates on Social network components
...
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: jigou on February 25, 2014, 11:38:08 AM
Just thought I'd chime in as another user who would like to utilize the scheduler. I've tried to use it in the past, and it's....well, we'll say "less than user friendly."

I've got a case right now where we have a campaign with two timelines that follow one another in sequence....one for three minutes, the next for one minute, then repeat. Once an hour we would like to play a video (likely as its own timeline, taking over the entire screen), then when the video is finished fall back to our "stock" sequence.

Jarrod
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: ANOOP on February 26, 2014, 10:30:59 AM
If MS could find a way of adding timelines in a pattern so that those timelines will work as sequence then most of the people should be happy
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: admin on February 26, 2014, 11:45:01 AM
yes that's what's coming soon...
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: IPNDDS on February 26, 2014, 02:02:20 PM
ANOOP,

Please explain or elaborate more on your suggestion.  How does that actually help with the scheduling of individual resources with start/stop days and times?

Thanks
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: ANOOP on February 26, 2014, 09:10:06 PM
My suggestion is based on the existing model of Mediasignage. It might not be the best scenario. At present you have to create a timeline and the timeline has to be added into the scheduler which allows us to define a pattern. For every timeline we are creating a pattern. Instead within 1 pattern if we can have 2 or 3 timelines then those timeline can play continuous which could be  put  on low priority and other patterns that need to run on a schedule  time could be put on high priority. As far as start and stop days time is concerned since the timeline has the feature of start and stop days it could be used. But my concern would be that when the resource is expired the blank screen might appear.
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: cloud on February 28, 2014, 08:19:13 AM
the road map is:

March: LiteStudio 1.0
March: GPU Transitions
April/May: LiteStudio 1.1
April/May: Enhanced Scheduling and updates on Social network components
...

March: GPU Transitions

Means GPU Transitions for Android?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: admin on February 28, 2014, 08:42:03 AM
yes both Desktop and Android
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: cloud on February 28, 2014, 09:04:25 AM
yes both Desktop and Android

Thanks a lot admin.  ;D
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: Peter Huss on April 22, 2014, 12:02:46 PM
April / May is now Summer ?
2014 or 2015?

I have now uninstalled one major shoppingmall and another one is to follow.
All for the reason of the poor scheduling functions.
I cant accept the fact that this request is not taken seriously by the developers. This thread is from 2012 and last time I looked, one of the most read threads in this fourm. That counts for alot.
I still have some minor installations running and will see if myself or the customer have the patience to wait for this to happen. Because if it does you will have one heck of a software.
And yes, Im an Enterprise user so I pay for it.
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: admin on April 22, 2014, 02:14:14 PM
it is already in development. First we will push release 4.15 out the door which is in beta now with transitions and other enhancements and it will follow by the enhanced  scheduler.
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: Chase on June 09, 2014, 10:48:33 AM
I hope the development of enhanced scheduling is going well, as there is so much demand for it.  This suggestion may be too late, however I think it's worth mentioning; maybe for a later release.

Adding scheduling features within the catalog player would be great, and quite possibly the easiest way to create a playlist of materials, all with their own scheduling details. Once the termination date/time for a particular resource has been reached, it is removed from the catalog, and maybe the entire account, if desired.  Resources can be selected to play indefinitely, if no termination, or end time is needed.

Putting this enhanced catalog player on a common timeline would be a great way to schedule promotional/seasonal material in various timelines without interrupting the cycle.

Assigning an access key to the catalog player would give the customer a somewhat easy way to log into their account, and set start and stop date and times, as well as adjust the sequence in which their content is displayed.

I look forward to the release of the new scheduler this summer.
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: ssutikno on September 11, 2014, 07:16:51 AM
I have a number of project 500 customers, requiring scheduled campaign that can run content in time. not based on the timeline. I expect this feature can be realized as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Enhanced Scheduling
Post by: admin on September 11, 2014, 10:49:29 AM
but we already released the enhanced scheduler a few months back, which allows the grouping of timelines and scheduling entire sequencers.
please update to 4.20 to use this new feature...

regards